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Post  MichaelaSJ on Sat Jul 21, 2018 1:49 am

If anyone out there still thinks there is anything, anything redeeming about Roseanne Barr, listen to this youtu.be video. ALL CAUTIONS APPLY:

https://youtu.be/JNrteSAu5ys?t=7

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Post  MichaelaSJ on Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:02 am

Angelic wrote:But at the same token, here is a man who murdered his wife and gets fame and fortune for it...
By all accounts, he was found innocent, not because he was innocent, but - BECAUSE THE JURY WAS FUCKED IN THE HEAD and the prosecution was totally mishandled.

As for fame and fortune, he rightfully lost nearly everything. Only for the quirky bankruptcy laws of Florida was he able to keep a house and his National Football League and other pensions.

In a civil lawsuit the jury unanimously found Simpson guilty of wrongful death and battery against Ronald Goldman and battery against Nicole Brown Simpson. He was ordered to pay 33,500,000.00 in damages.  He was later arrested for several felonies in Las Vegas and was just recently (2017) paroled after serving 9 years of a 33 year sentence.

Fame and fortune - nope, nada, nothing remaining.
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Yet, if were to immediately execute a convicted murderer leaves open the possibility of killing an innocent person AND THIS HAS HAPPENED.

No death penalty.

And then we have Timothy McVeigh who murdered 168 people in an act of domestic terrorism when he bombed the Federal Building in Oklahoma City, OK in 1995. He was tried and convicted in 1997 and after expedited and fruitless appeals was executed in a federal prison in 2001. Justice - swift and fair.

No reasonable person denies the validity of McVeigh's guilt, conviction or execution.

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Post  mariehart1 on Fri Jul 27, 2018 11:46 pm

Roseanne Barr is not someone you would be friends with unless you are a bigot. You could be polite to her because most of us are polite even to bigots. Because most of us are not bigots like Roseanne Barr. That's how bigots like her are allowed to us to exist in the real world. She our fault for tolerating bigots like her.

You have to remember that she doesn't think she's a bigot because we nice people fail to tell her.

We need to be less tolereant.

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Post  MichaelaSJ on Sat Jul 28, 2018 1:35 am

mariehart1 wrote:We need to be less tolerant.
I agree, but we need to be specific in our toleration.

Remember, one persons bigotry is another's free speech.

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Post  Jehanne on Sat Jul 28, 2018 3:48 pm

MichaelaSJ wrote:
mariehart1 wrote:We need to be less tolerant.
I agree, but we need to be specific in our toleration.

Remember, one persons bigotry is another's free speech.

That's a great quote!  However, when does "free speech" turn into "hate speech"? Of course, the 1st Amendment will not protect one from getting fired from one's job.

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Post  MichaelaSJ on Sun Jul 29, 2018 4:40 am

Jehanne wrote:...when does "free speech" turn into "hate speech"?  Of course, the 1st Amendment will not protect one from getting fired from one's job.
I believe for hate speech to be prosecuted it must involve an element of 'hate' with an overt act.

Simply calling someone a hateful name does not constitute hate speech, but at the same time hitting the person does cause a hateful act.

You can yell fire in a crowded theater and if no one reacts there is no crime. You can yell 'Hateful speech' into a crowd and if no one reacts there is no crime.

But, if the theater erupts into a crazy rush to the doors or a crowd jumps the idiot yelling the slur - there may have been a crime.

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Post  Lesley Niyori on Sun Jul 29, 2018 11:31 am

Free Speech is an American concept that doesn't allow for Hate Speech only in America.

Here in Canada, acknowledged hate comments CAN get you arrested. But this is Canada and not America, and we don't permit hate speech.

Yelling "Fire!" in a theatre in Canada CAN get you arrested even if nothing results from it. It was still an attempt to cause harm.

In Canada, 'mere words' can get you in deep shit.

In Canada, a known slur, coupled with a physical act, CAN get you arrested, labelled a sex offender, and if convicted, you can say goodbye to most of your life's chances to ever amounting to anything.

We are known as the nation that's always saying "sorry", but we are not known as the nation that permits self-evident hate.

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Post  Jehanne on Sun Jul 29, 2018 12:51 pm

It is interesting the differences between the US and Canada.  As a native born American, sometimes, I wish that I lived in Canada!  For one, I think that the US President has too much power and that a PM is a better form of government.

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Post  MichaelaSJ on Sun Jul 29, 2018 7:49 pm

Angelic wrote:I'd rather be friends with a bigot than an oversensitive, fascist liberal who can't take a joke.
Really!

Yawns.

Wonders when Angelic will start to group adjectives by relevance.

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Post  Kaibeth on Sun Jul 29, 2018 8:26 pm

That's two.....

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Post  Jehanne on Wed Aug 01, 2018 2:47 am

MichaelaSJ wrote:
Angelic wrote:I'd rather be friends with a bigot than an oversensitive, fascist liberal who can't take a joke.
Really!

Yawns.

Wonders when Angelic will start to group adjectives by relevance.

It's kind of weird, because social and religious conservatives here once starting complaining about the conservative SCOTUS Chief Judge William Rehnquist that he had gotten so conservative that he was starting to "emerge" at the Left End of the political spectrum.  If you go far enough "right" you start to emerge "left", or, vice-a-versa.

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