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Post  MichaelaSJ on Wed May 08, 2019 10:40 pm

I was reading an 1821 Supreme Court case about the Sergeant-at-Arms of the Congress arresting someone who defied an order of the House to appear before the House and in the body of the opinion was the following term:
&c

I did a web search and the closest I came to an answer involved the following:
... wise precaution to see that the bath-room [sic], &c., when it is used is well ventilated.

Does anyone have an idea of what '&c" means?

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Post  Lesley Niyori on Thu May 09, 2019 12:24 am

etc means et cetera

used at the end of a list to indicate that further, similar items are included.
"we're trying to resolve problems of obtaining equipment, drugs, et cetera"
synonyms: and so on, and so forth, and so on and so forth, and the rest, and/or the like, and/or suchlike, and/or more of the same, and/or similar things, et cetera et cetera, and others, among others, et al., etc.; informaland what have you, and whatnot
"you need wellingtons, raincoats, umbrella, et cetera"
indicating that a list is too tedious or clichéd to give in full.
"we've all got to do our duty, pull our weight, et cetera, et cetera"

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Post  Tara on Thu May 09, 2019 2:05 pm

Interestingly, the ampersand, &, was originally formed as a ligature of the e and t in the Latin word 'et', meaning 'and'. While it has become more stylized in most fonts, it can still be seen in some modern fonts, such as Trebuchet.

This should display the Trebuchet version of ampersand correctly, if your computer has that font: &

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Post  Celia Eriksson on Thu May 09, 2019 3:54 pm

It is very old and comes from Roman times..... et cetera is written with the ampersand and a 'c'. Like this..... &c …… that's different from just...… & …… as Tara correctly states meaning 'and'. The two have different meanings.

So fun question...… can you make a phrase where the word 'and' or an ampersand can be legitimately used in a sentence in English and make sense, no less than five times in a row?

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Post  MichaelaSJ on Thu May 09, 2019 4:53 pm

That is the problem, it is a legal abbreviation of some sort and is more than just the ampersand and the letter c.

Oh well, it will become a mind burrowing worm (like an earworm).

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Post  Celia Eriksson on Thu May 09, 2019 5:04 pm

So I looked up it's legal usage and it is actually a mine field, but I cannot find the use of it meaning et cetera without the c added. Upon it's own it has some very complex meanings that I have no wish to plough through and I may well come up with it being used so, but for all intent and purpose et cetera is written &c as far as I can ascertain and recognised so, we need a legal eagle to answer!!!!!..... whoooooo I sound very intellectyall there don't I?!!!!!!

Anyway Miki, come on answer the fun questie….. five 'ands' in a row!!!!!!

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Post  MichaelaSJ on Thu May 09, 2019 6:45 pm

I once sat for the CPA exam (Chartered Accountant in the UK) and it was a five-part/two and a half day exam. The only part of the exam I passed was Business Law - HAH!

I will keep on looking.

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Post  Celia Eriksson on Thu May 09, 2019 11:50 pm

Oh well, lost hope is mine! I sail on the Good Ship Despair through the Cruel Sea of Ethereal Muteness and get Shipwrecked Upon the Wretched Rocks of Voicelessness……. Woe to me as I Thrash About The Thalassian Throng of The Wailing Sirens of Desolateness!

Embarassed Ahem..... I will reveal the puzzle as nobody...… wait …. or should I? Should I not leave you seated upon the Benign Bench of Benightedness!!!!!..... Shocked Oh well, so five 'and's in a row and making sense in one sentence.....

Ok, a signwriter is talking to his boss, and asks his boss if he has done a good job writing a pub sign on a pub called the George and Dragon. "But." The boss said. "You have made the gaps too long between George and and, and and and Dragon."

Ta-da!
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Post  MichaelaSJ on Fri May 10, 2019 12:41 am

So, I found a law forum and asked the question and got the answer.

&c is an abbreviation of etcetera.

WTF, couldn't they have figured out in 1821 that "etc" has a lot more meaning than "&c" even though it does take one more letter and thus not as economical.

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Post  Celia Eriksson on Fri May 10, 2019 12:51 am

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Post  Celia Eriksson on Fri May 10, 2019 12:53 am

Celia Eriksson wrote:So I looked up it's legal usage and it is actually a mine field, but I cannot find the use of it meaning et cetera without the c added. Upon it's own it has some very complex meanings that I have no wish to plough through and I may well come up with it being used so, but for all intent and purpose et cetera is written &c as far as I can ascertain and recognise.

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