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Post  Michi Mon May 18, 2020 4:14 am

Well, I start going back Wednesday. She's opening back up. She's wearing a mask and shield. Any thoughts?

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Post  Celia Eriksson Mon May 18, 2020 4:19 pm

Hi Michi,

I am not quite sure what to say. I have a laser man that I visit when is my want, but I will defer until this is over, (I do have a home laser, for now, not IPL, that has some effect).

Yes, I am still working, but I can control what I do and although it seems safe enough and quite possibly will be so, they will have contact with several other people. But if you feel confident, why not?

The other contact with clients is extra risk enough for me not to want dentistry, laser or any close on treatments or pampering until this thing is over. My next biggie is rhinoplasty and that will have to wait too now....

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Post  Tara Mon May 18, 2020 5:27 pm

I haven't been to my electrologist in months, first because I needed to save money toward the end of 2019, and now because of the whole covid situation. I'm sure she would wear a mask, as she has done so in the past when she had a cold, and she's very thorough with her cleaning. But obviously I'd be unable to wear one while she worked on my face, and while that wouldn't terrify me, it would definitely concern me.

I've been relying on plucking, supplementing with the occasional shave, and it's not bad. I find that I can go three or four days without visible whiskers, and without any beard shadow. I usually go more like two, because I can feel them even if I can't see them, and that drives me mad. So, I wait two days, pluck the obvious ones, and then shave.

I don't know if I'll go back once things settle down, as this seems to be working for me, and even progressing. At a quick estimate, I've spent about US$ 20,000 over ten years on electrology, so I'm happy to not spend more if I don't have to. On the other hand, if I ever decide to go ahead with bottom surgery, I will definitely go with electrology there.

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Post  Michi Mon May 18, 2020 6:40 pm

I haven't been since early March as well. I'm going in for a breast aug consult next week and have several embarrassing hairs; I doubt my chest will ever be completely clear. Madison was cancelling appointments but mine seems to be on. Also have a consult in Milwaukee next month as well  Maybe a local surgeon is better? IDK.

I did go to the dentist two 1.5 weeks ago. I had an appointment to bus down to Chicago for a SRS clearing but that was cancelled and probably a bad idea to bus down now. My local just does a little hair removal there in that area. I prefer not to think how much I've spent on electrolysis and it's for improvement so why not. I probably spent at least 10K on laser and it didn't work except for legs but I'm getting some hairs sprouting up after a couple of years since last laser session.

I did buy a face shield and bought her one too since she's a friend. 


I'm not sure if this will be over though. Surgery is scheduled for 2/3/21, that's stressful. Implants or rhinoplasty seems much safer.

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Post  Celia Eriksson Sun May 24, 2020 12:24 am

Hi Michi and Tara,

Actually out of any of the treatments, I would be saying dentistry is most likely the most dangerous.... not for us so much as the Dentist with saliva flying all about the place in a mist.

But secondly it's highly unlikely any rhinoplasty will be happening anytime soon. I want it now..... but I doubt the surgeon does, smashing bones, mucus flying, with a hammer, scalpel, stitches, but also a smaller shaving tool that causes a similar haar right where Covid is... No, I really don't think so.....

Anyway…. I was having two things with the laser studio at the time of L-L-L-Lockdown!!!, my knees, (yes my knees, the rest of my legs have fewer brown stragglers!), and I did have two small tattoos removed by the same studio that have now as good as vanished and would have had two more blasts that would have probably finished the job.....

I still get white hair grow upon my face, in some places it is not so much in clumps but in a scattered group of stragglers. I had electro in Surbiton twenty years ago, I can't be bothered to do my whites, I have a three head razor that with one downstroke gets rid of the white for a couple of days..... three or four is amazing!!! I pluck any rare medium light brown ones and I have not had any ingrown.

Electrolysis is brilliant, it is the holy grail.... but it's not gonna stop them coming back entirely unless you go for top ups with your straggler lengthy hairs being in place, which trust me, you won't wanna do. I guess it's probably why women's epilation products are such high sellers, so still be ready to still epilate as other women do.

Nobody is hair free.. be ready for that.... you probably are, I'm most probably teaching ya to suck eggs, but anyway... I love you lots and lots!

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Post  Tara Sun May 24, 2020 1:57 am

Celia Eriksson wrote:
I still get white hair grow upon my face, in some places it is not so much in clumps but in a scattered group of stragglers. I had electro in Surbiton twenty years ago, I can't be bothered to do my whites, I have a three head razor that with one downstroke gets rid of the white for a couple of days..... three or four is amazing!!! I pluck any rare medium light brown ones and I have not had any ingrown.

Yeah, pretty much the same, not in clumbs, but individuals. They're not obvious in the mirror. Or maybe my eyes are just getting old. Ha!

I do spend a little time plucking the white ones a couple of times a week, but then sweep over the rest with the razor. I know I'm very fortunate in not being particularly hairy anyway, unlike my father and one of my sons.

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Post  Celia Eriksson Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:04 pm

Hi Tara!!!

My nemesis is a rare one.... it is my knees of all places!!!!! The top of my legs have not borne hair for many years, totally gone and my shins the same..... but just under the knee and on the knee I have these very fine ash brown hairs that no matter how much they are zapped they persist.

I tried laser, no effect, too light. I tried an epilator to at least keep them at bay and I ended up with keratoid red dots for months. I may have to get electrolysis just for them.... or continue shaving them every couple of days. They are true varmits!

I always, but always, count my lucky stars about many things.... being small and slim, my now totally disappeared moustache etc, but they are one thing I hate!

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Post  Tara Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:27 pm

My nemesis is the random collection of hairs that appears somewhere on my legs when an hour ago I didn't see a thing, no matter how closely I looked. Sometimes it'll be my knees, sometimes my shins. Generally, they show up when I'm in a cocktail dress or in in running shorts with group of friends.

Probably nobody else even notices them, but they make me self-conscious until I can take a razor to them!

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Post  Celia Eriksson Tue Jun 02, 2020 12:23 am

Hi Tara,

Sometimes I think we are more paranoid than cis women. I went swimming last year with a colleague. She is six foot tall with a very athletic body. She is very dark and in the changing room she showed me an injury she caught on the side of the pool upon her thigh as she got out. Though her legs were shaved and she is cis, the dark dots and missed hairs were everywhere upon her legs. I felt sorry for her and I guess I still do.

A few years ago, I went on a jolly upon a boat. The cutest girl there befriended me and asked my opinion of her chances with a guy we both knew. I knew he was spoken for and told her so.

The point is, she was in a bikini and sat with her legs dangling over the side about midships. I went to sit next to her, but as I sat down, I noticed that her bikini bottom rode down, revealing an uncut hairy top of ass (sorry) in that upper depression. I would never, ever allow upon myself and never have done so!

And as for the number of cis women hairy arms I see.... they believe shaving makes hair regrow stronger? So they let their arms grow hairy. I have zapped all of mine!

We have to be better than cis women and actually, for the most part, I am sure that we are....

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Post  Tara Tue Jun 02, 2020 1:42 pm

Yes, I think those are astute observations, Celia.

If I may paraphrase a bit, sometimes it seems the price of passing is eternal hair removal (pax Baron Courtney).

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Post  MichaelaSJ Tue Jun 02, 2020 5:15 pm

I stopped my testosterone production over five years ago and a razor has yet to touch anywhere on my body except my face. Damn, having no testosterone has no effect on facial hair.

One of the paths for the COVID virus to infect someone is through the eyes. I would be concerned about electrolysis on a face as it may be a pathway for those little buggers to get into my body, especially when the technician draws blood (which is typically inevitable).

An electrologist, by the nature of their craft needs to work glove free to feel the needle. With that said, I personally would be hesitant in having someone around me, even with a face mask working on my skin.

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Post  Hypatia1 Thu Oct 22, 2020 4:46 am

I don't know what some of y'all are doing that you're getting good results. I'm well over 300 hours on my face alone and I still go in one hour a month. What I have at this point is far from thick, I would say it's like a 1980's Soviet Bloc female weight lifter (for those of you that get the reference), but just damn. When will this **** die???

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Post  Tara Thu Oct 22, 2020 1:56 pm

In my case, @Hypatia1, it was closer to 3000 hours than 300. That was over a period of about about eight years.

I've not visited the electrologist in nearly a year, and I'm finding now that I still spend time plucking three or four days a week, and I shave my face approximately once a week. The shaving I probably don't need to do, but it's nice to feel a smooth face, and it's quick because there isn't much to actually shave.

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Post  Hypatia1 Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:04 am

Tara wrote:In my case, @Hypatia1, it was closer to 3000 hours than 300. That was over a period of about about eight years.

I've not visited the electrologist in nearly a year, and I'm finding now that I still spend time plucking three or four days a week, and I shave my face approximately once a week. The shaving I probably don't need to do, but it's nice to feel a smooth face, and it's quick because there isn't much to actually shave.
3000 hours??? Holy Christ! It feels like it's going to take that long for me, but that's just the frustration. At the 300+ I'm currently at (I lost actual count somewhere around 225-250 hours) I can go for about 3-4 days before having visible stubble. I'm somewhat fortunate in that I'm a natural blonde, which means my hairs aren't really visible until they're pretty much above skin level. But according to my electrologist, that's also part of why they're so hard to kill. If there's one good thing about this whole mask thing, it's that I don't feel so paranoid when I go out if I have growth.

I still have a pretty good amount, but nothing like a beard. And what's on my face has been treated multiple times, so even when it grows, it's not really stiff. Not quite vellus hair consistency, but not thick terminal hair either. But I focused on that area to start. When I shave, my face above the jaw is baby-smooth for about a day or two. What's under the jaw hasn't been treated nearly as much and it feels like it when it grows. Makes me very uncomfortable when I don't shave for a couple days. Even when I do shave, I can still feel that stubble even right after and I really don't like it.

I was seeing an outfit down in Phoenix that did my pre-op clearing, and they did some facial stuff too. I haven't been there in over a year now, relying on a local lady. I like my local lady, but she's slow and I just don't see much result for an hour's work. I think I could do a hard three hour session in Phoenix and do some real damage. I might set that up for after New Year. Figure it's going to cost me around $400-450, with travel, for three hours. But they do lidocaine injections so they can go to town. At this point, hair removal is all I really have left.

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Post  Celia Eriksson Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:29 am

Hi Hyatia,

It's a bit of a shame that you are blonde, I am strawberry but have always had light brown body hair. For else I would tell you of the success gained by home laser for body hair. No, not IPL, but actual laser that does zap brown hair, but it does not come cheaply. It is still cheaper than studio in the long run, though it takes longer. The problem for me is the best it does to Strawberry is minimal.....  

Yes, it is electrolysis regular to definitely find good results upon the face. But expensive. Blondes generally have light beards anyway, so it should actually yield good results quicker than others..

Be thankful, for were you dark haired, it would be a very painful task, for either solution, laser or electrolysis can actually scar in the wrong hands and even with a professional leave the darker hair girl with far more temporary scabs.

Three hours for 450, that is about 380 in my money, sounds quite fair..... a lot can be done it that time and the hours can be stacked up quicker. Don't let them spend the time chatting, or taking coffee breaks, don't agree to want a break or a coffee, or even a pee, and you tell them at all times, exactly which areas you want done.... sorry if I am teaching about eggs and how to give them a good sucking, but I want you to maximise your time...

Celia xx

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Post  Hypatia1 Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:20 am

The place down in Phoenix is very professional. Like I said, I've had maybe a hundred hours with them. They did my pre-op clearing, which was 50-60 hours. The rest has been on the face. It just takes coordination to do it as it's a 700 mile round trip drive for me, so it's a full day, driving down there, 3-4 hour session and then driving back.

As far as hair color, it's a double edge sword. Blonde, so I can get away with more growth without being visible, but I also can't do laser.

I'm older too, so what I have is very well established. I started transition about seven years ago, in my early 40s. The first thing I started was hair removal, and here I am now, seven years later, still doing hair removal. Everything else is done. In fact, I just had my second, and last, hair grafts today. My head feels like it's about to explode. 2200 grafts, took almost 10 hours, but I filled in my temples for more density and brought my hair line down about 1/2 an inch to cover the scar from my brow revision.

It's been a long, painful road, but, with the exception of what hair removal I have left, I am done. Feels good. Well, not my head right now. That hurts like hell.

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Post  Michi Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:44 am

Hypatia1 wrote:The place down in Phoenix is very professional.  Like I said, I've had maybe a hundred hours with them.  They did my pre-op clearing, which was 50-60 hours.  The rest has been on the face.  It just takes coordination to do it as it's a 700 mile round trip drive for me, so it's a full day, driving down there, 3-4 hour session and then driving back.

As far as hair color, it's a double edge sword.  Blonde, so I can get away with more growth without being visible, but I also can't do laser.  

I'm older too, so what I have is very well established.  I started transition about seven years ago, in my early 40s.  The first thing I started was hair removal, and here I am now, seven years later, still doing hair removal.  Everything else is done.  In fact, I just had my second, and last, hair grafts today.  My head feels like it's about to explode.  2200 grafts, took almost 10 hours, but I filled in my temples for more density and brought my hair line down about 1/2 an inch to cover the scar from my brow revision.  
It's been a long, painful road, but, with the exception of what hair removal I have left, I am done.  Feels good.  Well, not my head right now. That hurts like hell.

Congrats! 350 miles is far. I have someone local but for genital I've been driving about 200 miles each way. I made the trip several times now and have gotten to like it. My surgery is February 3 in Wisconsin. I heard they are rescheduling some. I emailed yesterday if I have any rescheduling options. It's in Madison, a very hard Covid area now, I'm in Milwaukee which could be worse.

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Post  MichaelaSJ Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:15 am

If hypatia is mentioning Senza Pelo, in Phoenix, then I will add my very heartfelt recommendation for that group.

Yeah, it was a 13.5 hours drive for me one-way, but well worth it. The staff is very accommodating and the nurse practitioner (forget her name) worked for one of the better GRS surgeons, Toby Metzler. Also, meeting the very nice transwoman, Robin, at the front desk was a plus.

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Post  Kidagakash Thu Mar 18, 2021 6:00 am

Ive always been very happy that my face barely grows hair. The past few years seems to have thickened it which is one of the reasons I was getting so anxious to start hormones. I shaved my arms a week ago though and and still practically invisible which is a huge relief because ive always had rather hairy limbs but didnt shave them because the second time in less than a week brings on lots of red bumps

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Post  Lesley Niyori Thu Mar 18, 2021 2:03 pm

Ahh, I see talk of this particular subject and I get so envious.

I have not even tried to begin to cure facial hair. No matter how well I shave, by the end of the day you can see signs I have had to shave like a man for decades.

I won't complain though. I managed to get the GRS on a platter thanks to being Canadian. I'll just dream of a facial hair solution for now.

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Post  Kidagakash Fri Mar 19, 2021 12:06 am

Its not a contest. I am so glad to have each and every one of you here. We all have a unique perspective to share and for years this has been a cornerstone of my respite when I desperately need it. Love to you all. Namaste.

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