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Post  Elizabeth Lynn Sat Sep 24, 2022 4:42 am

Gotta love Wikipedia. When I was deployed to Britain I signed up for a bus excursion to London on a rare day off. As I was sitting on the bus waiting for everyone to load, the driver had the radio on a news broadcast. The broadcast was interrupted by a special bulletin announced that the tube had just been bombed. The excursion ended right then. That’s the closest I got to London and Home Counties.

I did make it to Oxford and took a self guided tour of the university, at least as much as we could see in a couple of hours. I also roamed through a massive bookstore just off campus. I can’t remember the name of the store, just that it was a long existing, world famous bookstore. Maybe Blackwell’s? I did buy a copy of a children’s version of Rudyard Kipling’s Just So Stories. I read aloud and recorded the readings on cassette tapes and sent them to my kids who were quite young then. My wife played the tapes for them at bedtime so that dad could read them a story as I usually did each night.

I fear for our democracy. You are correct, the building of this ultra conservative mix of politics, evangelical Christian, dark money and now white supremacy was put in motion a long time ago, gained an organized structure during the 1980 presidential election campaign and has been growing since. All trump did was bring into the mainstream the hate, authoritarianism and enfranchise the worst of human nature that had been simmering just under the surface. There are people, my sister being one who truely believe he was sent by God to establish a theocratic national government. Seeing true messianic fervor in action is scary.

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Post  Celia Eriksson Sat Sep 24, 2022 12:06 pm

I guess the 'Home Counties' accent is a fair evaluation of someone speaking what l call King's English, that is 'posh' to some, for it is spoken there more than anywhere. But in reality not by any majority.

Essex has a more nasal Cockney, if that is possible! Surrey, Middlesex, Berks & Bucks, etc. have a majority that have a softer common kind of Cockney, such is the spread of the Wen.

Where l live, not a home county, in South Hampshire, the accent is more akin to West Country but not so drawn or strong. Plenty here speak with my 'posh' neutral accent too, in the north of Hampshire most have the common Home Counties accent.

American institutions are fascinating and also can be weird!. For example, they have bona fide police in most federal unitary departments such as customs, excise etc. then state police, then troopers and local police too! Then there is the FBI... all have powers of arrest! I am not sure, but l think they even have tobacco and alcohol police!!!

We have just one department in each county, transport poluce and a nuclear police... that is it! We do have an FBI equivalent too...

Only one other thing l find weird of the USA... why, oh why Liz!! Why! Why are the Democrats blue and the Republicans red!!! Rightys are blue and Leftys  red across the rest of the entire earthly globular sphericaloid. Why, why... why?

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Post  Mariehart11 Sat Sep 24, 2022 10:17 pm

Wondered myself about the US blue v red thing. But no doubt it predates socialism. But here we have our own peculiarities. The two main parties are divided between those who won the civil war and the losers. Ironically the losers won the most elections. At the moment they're in an uneasy coalition to keep out Sinn Fein. Both are actually conservative yet liberal. The current PM is soon to step aside and allow the other party leader to take over. He's half Indian and gay but people only hate him for being conservative.😄

The police thing in States is interesting. I remember being in Vermont at the scene of an incident. The State troopers were there and the Sheriff and the South Burlington police. Neither the FBI or ATF were there so I guess it wasn't federal.🤔

I do feel that small town police departments and elected sheriffs are not conducive to professional policing.

I say that, we have a national police force but it's local limitations are often highlighted. This last weekend. Two stolen cars were doughnutting in a notorious neighbourhood egged on by the local scum on social media. A police car a Hyundai was despatched womanned by two female officers who were not authorised to exceed the speed limit or even use the siren. Unarmed of course. They were rammed off the road. It's not as if specialised traffic officers and or armed police were not available. Crazy.

As for your accent C, I think both Liz and me would probably think you sound posh. I think sometimes us colonials have still have a bit of an inferiority complex about our former imperial masters. 😀

Ridiculous you might think. But forgive us your highness.🤴


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Post  Mariehart11 Sat Sep 24, 2022 10:46 pm

Liz, not sure when your tour was interrupted by the tube bombing. It might have been the IRA. Not necessarily because at one point London was the centre of a lot terrorism and riot from various causes.

But it might have been. At one point three of my siblings lived in London. One day our 'heroic freedom fighters' bombed a London train station used by my sisters and brother. Killing people. After several panicked phone calls They were OK.

That's why I hate the political party who used to have a private army of terrorists who pretend to be democrats these days. They're called Republicans.

Bad as your Republicans are. I hope they never stoop so low. Surely the GOP isn't dead?
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Post  Elizabeth Lynn Sat Sep 24, 2022 11:12 pm

It would have been in early January 1991 just before actual combat started in the Gulf War. I think the IRA did claim responsibility.

I don’t think we are far behind. Here, it’s individual groups across all the states. Militias. Some groups are fairly large and well trained and armed, others are just loosely affiliated individuals and small groups looking for a reason to beat their chests. There are other groups that are just thugs - Proud Boys, and Oath Keepers being the two most well known.

The Republican Party range from just not denouncing them to outright collaboration and encouragement.

Then there are the Christian Nationalists and the white supremacist to sort of round out our rogues gallery. And the truth of the matter is, I have to throw the entire Republican Party on the list as well, they just use the legislative club as their weapon of choice.

Finally there are the individual crazies out there that shoot up schools, parades and churches.

Oh, the final group of Anders and abettors - the.news media, Fox News, OAN, Infowars etc that escape journalistic accountability by calling themselves “entertainment” organizations and not “news” organizations.

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Post  Mariehart11 Sat Sep 24, 2022 11:55 pm

Yes Liz, and all of them hide behind the freedom of expression cloak. Freedom to be bigots.

Oddly enough here while liberal conservatives are the majority the left is in favour. The shinners as we call them.
Gawd help us if they ever formed a government. We'd be Cuba without nice weather.


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Post  Elizabeth Lynn Sun Sep 25, 2022 4:27 am

Sigh, life just shouldn’t be so complicated. If it weren’t for my grandkids I’d walk into the mountains and live as a hermit.

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Post  Celia Eriksson Sun Sep 25, 2022 10:32 am

Red.... Blue....

LIZ.... WHY!!!!

Ahem.... anyway... a friend of mine, back in the day worked at Canary Wharf. When l watched the news that night of a bomb, he came on TV!!!! ITN interviewed him at the site. The building was evacuated and he simply went home.

I am pleased that the troubles are over in N.Ireland... and one piece of news, hopefully will not change that. Catholics now outnumber Anglicans.... a peaceful united Ireland is obviously the best future for all...


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Post  Elizabeth Lynn Sun Sep 25, 2022 8:48 pm

Not to worry Celia, not going anywhere.  Throughout my adult life I joked with my wife that when I retired I was going go live as a hermit.  She wasn’t too keen on the idea as one might imagine.  I have always been a solitary person.  Growing up on a farm with no nearby neighbors my age and being the oldest of four kids I learned to entertain myself.

My best friend for 43 years was my wife.  She was an incredibly social person who never new a stranger and what little social interaction I needed came through her.  Now, 26 months after she passed, I’ve recovered some limited social skills, but find that it’s an effort to engage with people at the small talk level.

So, I have my small 1.24 acre/.5 hectare slice of paradise that allows me to have a garden bigger than I can care for, a small orchard, a collection of culinary herbs and other perennials and a couple of honeybee colonies.  I have great neighbors who accept and support me and my granddaughter loves the place.  Any new visitor, adult or child gets an obligatory tour and explanation of all the features and accurate description of all the fruit trees, herbs and perennials.  Quite a body of knowledge for a 7 year old.

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Post  Mariehart11 Sun Sep 25, 2022 11:25 pm

You know Liz, you  haven't  mentioned your wife  much. Or maybe I  haven't  noticed. But she seems a  bit of a  live  wire. But you  really sound to have a  little bit of  paradise. My garden is  quite small but just outside the garden is a couple of Scotch Pines, native to Ireland despite the name. I feed a lot of little  birds particularly gold finches who i absolutely adore. Plus Blue tits, coal tits.


While not exactly a  hermit I  was quiet and frankly socially phobic compared to my four sisters and Mother. All of them are party animals with  lots of  friends. Something their  children inherited.

However I  can and I  do know  how to  be social aided  by kicks under the  table  from  my wife who  frankly isn't exactly extrovert. She hates small  talk. Like  all seven of  her  siblings. She's  serious and  intellectual. It's like been married into Spocks family. If you  know your Star Trek.

We stopped having  sex after the birth of our second child because of  course it was  no  longer  necessary. 😗

Now I'm  a hugger and affectionate but she never reciprocates..... Even as I write this. I  have to  pause. Literally  just now as I  wrote this my son  appeared to  say goodnight. Massive hug. Hell of a coincidence. But both  sons are used to hugs. I  hugged them from the moment I  could  pick them up.

It's  got to the  point where I  can  hardly pass them of a morning  without a  hug.

I simply  cannot understand  my wife sometimes.


C, I'm glad your  stoic about the Canary  Wharf  bombing. Actually I  was stoic about the bombings in Dublin which at the  time  was the  worst of the  conflict and  probably carried out by rogue British operatives who operated under the principle of plausible denialability.

However I  was and am incredibly embarrassed about the  canary wharf bombing. and other multiple terrorist, murders, innocent people often  children in the name of Ireland. It's utterly disgusting.

But it's  mostly history so let's move on.

Yes the Protestants are now the  minority in NI. I always  said the real trouble would start when that  happens. Being  Protestant is not the same as being an extreme  
loyalist. Being Catholic culturaly  pirat doesn't mean you want to give up the  NHS.

I think  a compromise is necessary. I was there this year and it was clear that it's  very  Irish for the most part. I felt at home  despite the various  flag waving in certain areas.

I n five  years the impetus will be  obvious.


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Post  Mariehart11 Sun Sep 25, 2022 11:50 pm

Oh gawd. I didn't  start this thread to  be so bloody serious.

So Liz tell us about your wife. She sounds  cool. I'd love to hear about her. It's pretty obvious she was something special. I have a somewhat ambivalent view about my wife who I love even if she doesn't reciprocate anymore. But other fun stuff. I'm  a pilot so  air force things is something I  like. Tell us about  her and you.

Also  C you  have  some stories often allluded to. I  bet  you  had and an interesting life. We both were teenagers in the  seventies.

Bunny, I  know you're out there?? Come on? I'm  building a  Meng King Tiger. Any advice!
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Post  Elizabeth Lynn Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:03 am

It has been difficult to talk about her. We had a wonderful life and marriage 42 years married. End of August 2019 (Labor Day in the US). We here traveling to Montana to visit her mom and sisters. About 120 miles into our trip she complains about pain in her left ankle. By the end of Sept 2019 she had deteriorated with unrelenting pain in her left leg despite visits to her primary care doc and physical therapy. The pain was so bad I took her to the emergency department. Massive IV morphine and an MRI and she is diagnosed with metastatic cancer in her pelvic area.

She was hospitalized, biopsiy the next day revealed it was Non-Hodgkin Lymphoma. Further genetic analysis of the tumor showed it was a particularly nasty, aggressive for with 2 mutations that made it virtually impossible to kill. She had two rounds of chemo. PET scan after the second showed the tumors were unfazed. One of the oncologists was able to get her accepted into a clinical trial for a new type of therapy. The trial was in Salt Lake City Utah, about a six hour drive from our home.

She received the therapy and seemed to be improving. A month after the treatment she had another PET scan that showed two remaining active tumors - the expectation was that the cancer would be totally gone. So very disappointing because it left us with no viable other treatment. We came home in late May of 2020. She went on hospice care just after the 4th of July holiday and died on July 15th 2020. The absolute worst experience of my life.

It’s been a struggle since. I wasn’t meant to be alone. Initially the grief was immobilizing, yet I had to take care of all that attends the death of a person as the executor of an estate.

The company I worked for was so very generous and allowed me all the time off during this nightmare. Over nine months they paid me even though I was caring for her full time. As a nurse, I was on top of her care every minute. Even the best hospitals can’t make care error free. I literally saved her life 3 times throughout this time.

I went back to work about a month after she died, but something inside had changed and I no longer had the energy, focus or desire to work. As a federal government contractor, the company was totally reliant on contract awards. My company hadn’t done well capturing work and needed cut some people. I volunteered to leave and retired at the end of October 2020. Which was another huge change. It was the right thing to do for both me and the company.

Now I am alone and lonely, though it’s a loneliness that isn’t fixed by being among people. If you’ve ever heard someone say they are lonely in a crowd, believe them.

But life does go o even though sometimes you don’t want it to. I have a great therapist, have built a smal circle of friends that I see periodically and have my son and his daughter here with me. She is 7, and has always known Liz, but calls me Grampa. I don’t want to be Gramma, that was my wife’s name. She doesn’t yet understand the intricacies of gender, but to her friends she explains me as a girl-boy. And they are happy with that and a more complete understanding will come in time.

My daughter and her family (hubby, boy, 12, girl 9) moved to North Carolina 3 days after the funeral and I miss them terribly. I went to visit them last Thanksgiving and will do the same this year. Both of her kids are fierce protectors of Grampa Liz. Whatever works!

I’ll share more about my wife as a person over time if that’s ok. She was a marvel of joy, musician, educator, mother and wife.

Same for Air Force stories! Even though I was a nurse, I did gain a fair amount of knowledge about the aircraft and missiles and missions of the assignments I had over a 21 year career.

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Post  Celia Eriksson Mon Sep 26, 2022 10:47 am

Oh, Elizabeth. I cannot believe it is already 2 years. I was so sorry to hear that at the time and the time since has flown.

I understand the loneliness. I am very used to it now, l have not lived with anyone for decades now. I honestly can say that you get kind of used to it and you will get to know yourself better.

My longest partner was not always nice to me, though l guess we had good times. He was an alcoholic and died in his 40's and because we had already split, it did not affect me quite as much as if l was still with him. So in away, l am not good at relating to your grief. My Father may be a closer relatable time, but not quite so, for he did not accept anything of my sexuality and gender....

I am sure you will find yourself and contentment and having your Son and his Daughter with you must be a blessing.

Marie, l will write of some of my early life again... l was not always in a good place, though l had good times. I have always been happier since l was about 50... and am as happy and content these days as any other...

I suppose another man would be nice, (def. living seperately...), but l do not feel that any relationship is a necessity anymore either.

Well, l suppose l have to make a decision... shop today or tomorrow.. the clouds are looking quite naughty out there... but l do get stuff for my elderly neighbour, he might expect my usual Monday shoppy. Oh, l best go...

But before l do... Liz.... the blue and red thing... Marie asked too... so l will ask again... why are Republicans red and Democrats blue?...

Every other nation in the known ethereal boundaries of humankind... throughout the globular political machinations of universal excepticance... blue is for right and red is left wing!!!!! Why Liz? Why, why, why! We want to know!!!!

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Post  Elizabeth Lynn Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:21 pm

Red and Blue states.

Neither the Republican or Democratic parties have stated that they have an official color. So, this color scheme is an artifact of the news media. It appears that the current assignment has been used consistently since the 2000 presidential election. Up until then there was no standardization. There had been times where the color assignment was generally consistent with the world wide practice of using red for left wing parties and blue for right wing parties.

Recall that the 2000 presidential election outcome was very close, and in doubt for a fairly long period of time (hanging chad and all that). During election news coverage the various news networks gradually coalesced to using the red=Republican blue=Democrat scheme. As the recounts and eventually the Supreme Court case took place the color scheme became fixed out of necessity and has remained so since. At the time this was primarily associated with presidential p9litic but was gradually wormed its way down to state and local politics and to a certain extent even non-partisan elections such as school boards and various commissions, at least here the local media seems to avoid coloring non-partisan issues.

That’s the essence of what I’ve found. Bottom line? It’s all happenstance.

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Post  Mariehart11 Tue Sep 27, 2022 2:03 pm

Liz, I  didn't realise how recent your loss was or how long drawn out it was. My heart  goes out to you. Losing the love of your life is hard. I know my Mother  never really got over losing my Father. I  think he got  a mention almost every day.

I  fully  understand the concept of being lonely in a crowd. Pretty much the  story of my life. I love the idea of being called Grampa Liz by the Grandchildren. I think it was Mark Twain who said "Don't have  children, have Grandchildren " I  know what he meant now. My Mother  simply adored hers. All eleven of them at the time and they loved her.

I wouldn't object to  hearing  more of your life and wife. She sounds interesting.

Celia too. I  think  most  people have an interesting story to tell. It's our history after all.

Well now I have to go to meet my friend for coffee in town. She's really my wife's best friend but we often meet.  Gets  me out of the house. I  don't know if she's aware of my nature but if there was one friend my wife she would have told. It would be her. But it's unspoken if so.
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Post  Celia Eriksson Tue Sep 27, 2022 3:14 pm

I had a water leak fixed today.... something about black and blue pipes on the mains coming into my moby. A super kind man from across the little road that runs through the park fixed it, he is a genius.

So l am making a Cottage Pie in a few minutes. One of my super specialities... oh, the ingredients are basic enough...

Beef mince, onion, carrots, peas and beef stock, a little pepper and salt. Mashed potatoes atop, creamed with butter and salt. Then there is my secret, two teaspoons of mustard powder added to the stock... enough for two days.

Let me introduce Evangeline... Evangeline is a ragdoll that lives with me, she used to be at my bedside or sofa. But at the auctions recently, l spotted this 50's doll rocker, maybe a very small Childrens chair... she now has her pride of place.

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My other ragdoll Janine l aquired more recently, she views all from up high!

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Off to the auctions later... l get very excited when l go!!!

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Post  Elizabeth Lynn Tue Sep 27, 2022 3:28 pm

Lynn was my life. It’s difficult to describe someone you’ve lost who was so central to your existence and overstate the description. To be sure, there were times, lots of times where we struggled in our relationship, but we understood that would happen and went into our married life with our eyes wide open. As I told her stepmother we were imperfect separately, but perfect together.

She had an unvarnished honesty that was the underpinning of who she was and everything she did. The first time we met she showed up at the house I shared with two other guys while I was in nursing school. She had been set up as a blind date for one of my roommates, a mortician. I could sense immediately that there would not be a second date for them. When I answered the door I asked her in as my roommate wasn’t home at the moment. I was making chili and she walked through the kitchen to see what was on the stove picked up a spoon and tasted the chili. The expression on her face was clear, the chili, was not ready and she proceeded to tell me what was wrong with it. Not in a mean way, just very matter of fact. But I was left a bit speechless by the forward news of this person, this stranger in my house. I was to learn that she was a “you get what you see” type of person. Honest, forthright and completely without ill intent.

I was correct about my assessment of the date, it didn’t go well.

First funny story of our soon to be growing relationship. They went to a movie, afterward they went to a club. Another friend and I showed up a bit later. As we sat down, my roommate was gone, to the restroom she said. She then asked me to dance. We danced and returned to the table where my roommate, having returned, looked at her and said “we’ll, I see you drug yourself to the dance floor. What I didn’t know was that prior to my arrival roomie had asked her several times to dance and she declined the invitation.

School was nearing the end of the term and I was busy finishing projects and preparing for term final exams for the next few weeks. When the term was over I was ready to relax and have some fun. My roommate suggested that I go out with Lynn, something I wasn’t too keen to do given how she had treated him. With no other viable options and suffering a bad case of cabin fever I reluctantly called her. I asked, she agreed and we has a good time. Much more relaxed and enjoyable than I expected.

We held an end of term party a week or so later and one of the guests was a girl I’d been enamored with for quite some time. So, as I was trying to put forth my best suave self to convince her to move to a more private area, Lynn walked up, pushed herself between me and the girl, turned to the girl and said as direct as possible “excuse me, he’s mine.” I was stunned (remember we had had exactly one date). I quickly realized that she was quite intoxicated and knew I needed to get her out of the crowd and to her apartment. As we walked out side she stumbled and fell. I helped her stand but she was unable to do so without support. So, I picked her up and put her over my shoulder and carried her the half block to her apartment, undressed her and put her in her bed. I stayed the night to watch over her. The next morning, besides a massive hangover, she was mortified. But, she got her point across that night and from that point for the next 43 years we were a couple.

In those days, though I never wanted for dates, I was very cautious about deeper relationships (the usual story here, young love, broken heart, moved on but now cautious). I didn’t want to risk my heart again so kept potential love at arms distance. Lynn broke that barrier with her directness, honesty and total transparency. I realized that’s what I had been looking for - someone who was totally unabridged to tell that they loved me. A year later we were married.

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Post  Elizabeth Lynn Tue Sep 27, 2022 3:57 pm

Celia, the pie sounds divine. I love hearty, savory dishes. Meat pies, soups, stews, etc. this time of years is my favorite time to cook. I have difficulty keeping the volume of my dishes under control and always end up making more that I intended. So, I’ve given in to the inevitable and now make enough that I am able to freeze several meals worth for later. Once I’ve put away, several quarts of beef stew, chicken noodle soup, chili, ham and bean soup and whatever else strikes my fancy, I have enough squirreled away to last to the next season. All these recipes stand up to freezing very well and it’s so convenient to prepare when I don’t feel like cooking a full meal.

During my brief stay in Britain, we found a small inn within walking distance of our quarters. I believe the name was The Inn at Blackthorn. It was housed in an ancient stone building with walls at least 3 feet thick. It was an elfish little building with low ceilings, a huge fireplace and dim lighting. The menu was small and one of the few entrees was a shepherd’s pie. One had to order early because they made a limited number of pies and the were a popular item. The pie was wonderful, beyond description really. So that experience set me on a mission to replicate the pie. Though I haven’t match it, I’ve been able to create some very tasty pies. That might be something for an upcoming big dinner.

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Post  Mariehart11 Tue Sep 27, 2022 5:16 pm

I think I'd have liked Lynn. I like  people who are direct and without artifice. Life's too short to have to  figure out what someone really means. In fact two of my best female  friends are exactly like that. You  were  very lucky to have met her.

As for pies, well the British love their pies. In fact so do I. I regularly make cottage and Shepherds pie. Actually come to think of it. I have some mince in the fridge. So cottage pie it is for dinner with  Celia's secret ingredient. Mary Berry also recommends Worcestershire sauce. I  also sometimes add cheese to the mash.

Try prouncing Worcestershire sauce, Liz 😄

It's a day for for comfort food. It's  what they call round  here: "A grand soft day". That is calm but dull and drizzly. Very  autumnal. Very west of Ireland. On a day like this it's  used as a greeting. "Grand soft day, Thank God". A day  for drying out in front of a warm fire with a delicious  smell of dinner wafting from the kitchen.
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Post  Mariehart11 Tue Sep 27, 2022 7:25 pm

OK Celia. Thumbs up from my harshest culinary critics, my teenage sons. They just about tasted the mustard, one hates mustard but empty plates tells the tale.

So a triumph.👌

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Post  Celia Eriksson Tue Sep 27, 2022 9:28 pm

I do believe, l would have liked Lynn too. I think she must have fallen for you immediately, from the 'get go', sitting betwuxt you and that other girl. Direct, yes. But she knew what she wanted and power to her, bless her...

Shepherds Pie is easy. I always put the carrots on the boil first, about 4 middle sized are enough. Then cut circular, and boil until soft.

Potatoes, you need quite a few... 5 or 6 average size to feed 2 and a half! Simply peel, cut small and let them go boil.

Place mince in a large frying panbon low heat, a very tiny amount of oil and turn. Chop an onion and add once the mince is brown and cook until onions are just softening.

Put all in an oven capable stewpot, add two small handfuls of peas too. Then add half pint of stock, two teaspoons of mustard stirred in to the stock, salt and pepper, lift stir all ingredients in the stew pot with large spoons.

Drain potatoes put potatoes in a mixing bowl with a generous knob of butter and salt. Then mash the potatoes until soft. Use a fork to lift and place on top, covering entire pie. You can add grated cheese here, if you wish... l don't Marie, but l know many do.... placecin oven for 40 mins gas mark 6, until the mash browns with a delicious crust.

It is so very easy, so sorry for explainig the obvious, l know Americans do grits and other stuff that may be different, so l spelled it out!!!

Oh, l am pleased yours was a hit Marie! I do of course make Shephards Pie, but lamb mince is twice the price of beef, so it is simply good housekeeping to go with a Cottage Pie!

I am off to bed, early night... goodnight Liz and Marie!!!

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Post  Mariehart11 Tue Sep 27, 2022 9:55 pm

Yes that's  pretty  close to  my recipe C. I'll  add  mustard from  now on. But lamb is expensive even if the woolly creatures aren't  everywhere in this  country. Both  my wife  and boys love  lamb. But  I  usually  can't  bring  myself  to buy very  small lamb cuts for stupid prices. Even in Aldi. It's  a throwback to my upbringing. Meat  was an expensive  luxury. We got the  cheapest  cuts. We even had tripe. Which isn't that  bad really. Rabbit too which our friend shot. I remember the  neat  hole in the  rabbit's   head . Good  shooting.

I  do most of  the grocery  shopping. But  my  family know I'm  terrible about  buying  luxuries and snacks. I simply  can't do it.

So my wife buys the  nice things.

It's  funny how  you cannot escape your  upbringing.
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Post  Mariehart11 Tue Sep 27, 2022 10:43 pm

C, your  dolls. I  do love  love them. My favourite  doll  as a child was John Joe. A baby  doll who  was almost  felt  real. He shared  my  bed unless my sister had him. There's something about dolls that people love.


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Post  Celia Eriksson Wed Sep 28, 2022 11:05 am

I have always liked dolls. I have had, since a very young age a very close love of them and dolls houses. I did have an antique on years ago, it was a shop, with living quarters atop and was three floors. Being quite large l gave it to a friend with a young Daughter.... l loved buying bits for it, it was quite chocked!

Of course, l was never given dolls as a child. I did like art stuff, which was allowed. When l was around 6, one memory sticks out above all others, after school my Mother and l went to Cullens in Esher town, it was an early kind of supermarket, nothing like todays behemoths.

The lady at the counter told my Mother what a sweet little girl she had. My Mother informed her that he was a boy. The look of disappointment on my face, clearly prevented laughter and l guess that Mother knew l was different, way back then. Whether she told my Father, l do not know, but l very much doubt it...

I remember telling him, before that, l quite liked the colour yellow. He told me never to tell anyone that, they would think l rather strange.

Just as well he never knew l played hopscotch most playtimes...

On the Worcester note, l recall talking to an American lesbian couple, many years ago in London. The one thing one of them said l shall never forget. 'We visited Lysester last week'..  she was so enthusiastic that l let it go, but after about the fourth time she said it, l wondered if she was expecting me to put her right, perhaps somebody alreadt had done so and she was unsure, so l did....

A nice, but annoyingly know all, South African aquaintance l used to know is an air steward. He flew to Bahrain often back then and always pronounced it Barck-krain, the phlem rattling in the middle.

I am easy going, but it was getting too much. I was purposely saying Bahrain normally... l left it a while and one Christmas Eve a group of around 6 of us was having dinner. As usual the conversation was entirely stolen by him, but he had not mentioned Barck-krain...

I turned the conversation. I asked him about the African people that use clicks as a language... it worked language was the subject. I managed to say, quite cooly, that l never pronounce places in their own language, l find it pretentious. Of course that led to a why, and a what do you mean. I said l am English and for instance, l call Bahrain, Bahrain not... (l really over emphasided), Bark-rain.. everyone laughed, including him.. he said ok, l will never say... (and he said it), Barck-rain ever again. Of course he did... and emphasised it more!

I have wracked my brains, but cannot remember his name, l do remember his partners name... gosh, age....

Well, l have to go to the recycle centre. After my leak was fixed l cleared the rubbish, guttering, old pipes and even the front of an old boiler from under my moby, the last owner used it as a tip. Then l have to replace the thankfully, light white plastic cladding that covers the underside of mobys... l have to be careful, it is a nail ruining job...

Celia xx

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Post  Elizabeth Lynn Wed Sep 28, 2022 3:16 pm

Good morning to both of you. 7:40 am and I’m just waking up.

Now you have me all excited to make some savory meat pies! I’ve made one of my own concoction in the past. The base was ground beef, potatoes, carrots and peas and sweated onion. To this I added beef heart, kidneys and liver., each browned separately. I soaked the kidneys and liver in milk for about and hour before cooking as a Lynn was skeptical of both, thinking they would be strongly flavored. Added broth thickened with a bit of flour and generously seasoned with salt and pepper, may leaf, thyme, oregano, basil and garlic. All this went into a pastry pie shell with a pastry cover. It was wonderful. Lynn reluctantly tried it and was surprised that she couldn’t taste either the liver or kidneys. Even though she was not a great meat eater, she had several small helpings while it lasted (without my prodding I must say).

I don’t recall ever having an affinity for dolls, not even the “action figures” that were beginning to be marketed to boys. As the first born son, I’m sure any show of interest in a dill would have quickly been nipped by my dad. However, my next younger brother did have an interest as early as he could show an interest. I remember my mother fiercely protecting him from any criticism that might be offered and he happily loved his “Dolly” till he was 5 or 6 years old.

Marie, I do admit to a struggle pronouncing the work Worcestershire. We Americans have somewhat of a fixation on making sure we include and articulate every syllable in a word. Nonetheless, I do love the stuff and use it liberally as a seasoning in my meat based dishes.

Today’s weather forecast show a high temp of 90°F, then dropping into the low 70°’s tomorrow and through the weekend. Finally! I am ready for some cool weather and cozy evenings around the outdoor fire pit with a nice glass of wine. Our long term forecast is for a colder and wetter winter as there is a La Niña condition I. The western Pacific Ocean. Lord knows we can use the snow, especially in the higher elevation where a good snowpack makes it more likely that there will be sufficient irrigation water for next summer.

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